Interview - Orci Talks Casting, Characters, Canon…and Kirks October 8, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Interview, Orci/Kurtzman, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
In the first part of the TrekMovie.com exclusive interview with Star Trek co-writer and executive producer Roberto Orci we learned the scribe is a true Trek fan right down to his USS Enterprise phone and phaser collection. In the second part presented below Orci talks in more detail about the 2008 feature film including a status report on casting, more detail on their approach to canon, discussing what characters we may see in this film (and the next), how the film will appeal Trekkies and non Trekkies….oh and a little bit on that Shatner guy too.
TrekMovie.com: So I understand you recently completed the second big draft of the script. How different is this one from the original?
Roberto Orci: It is better. It is tighter. The villain is much better; in a first draft you tend to focus on your heroes. And I got to say that a lot of the things we read on TrekMovie.com contributed to the second rewrite.
TrekMovie.com: Really? There are thousands of comments…so which geniuses are the ones that made the difference in the script?
Roberto Orci: It is a collective thing, we take it all in. It is no joke that I read every post and so does [co-writer] Alex [Kurtzman].
TrekMovie.com: Will the possible Writers Guild strike effect the script?
Roberto Orci: Well it won’t effect anything because the strike would start when we are shooting so we will have the script finished by then. Any changes between now and then will be based on casting. Once we have the actors we will want to tailor it to their voices.
TrekMovie.com: There have been lots of casting rumors flying but so far there have only been 2 actors confirmed since Comic-Con: Zoë Saldana as Uhura and Anton Yelchin as Chekov. So are there other people you guys have signed up that we just haven’t heard of yet?
Roberto Orci: Nope that’s it. We have ideas and some of those rumored out there we are considering. We are not hiding anything as some people on your site are speculating. It is not uncommon and we are trying to come up with the best cast as possible and as long as we get them by shooting that is all we care about.
TrekMovie.com: So far you guys have only officially confirmed Kirk, Spock and now Uhura and Chekov. So can you confirm that McCoy is in as well as Scotty and Sulu?
Roberto Orci: I don’t know how you can have Uhura without Bones. So yes it is the original crew.
TrekMovie.com: J.J. [Abrams] has said the film is Spock-centric, but does the young Kirk have as big a role as Quinto’s Spock?
Roberto Orci: Totally! It is Lennon and McCartney. However Spock’s role is key in that we also have Nimoy. Having said that Kirk is Star Trek and he is as essential.
TrekMovie.com: What about Bones? The Kirk/Spock/McCoy ‘troika’ is also quintessential Trek, with McCoy being the counterpoint to Spock and Kirk in the middle.
Roberto Orci: That is a big part of what we are doing. You are correct that their interaction and how they face the impossible is what Trek is about and that is no different in our movie.
Trek’s classic troika part of new film
TrekMovie.com: Beyond the regulars - might we see other familiar faces, such as Kyle, Rand, Chapel, etc.?
Roberto Orci: Yes. I can’t say which. We are aware of all of them, but we are mindful that you can’t just try and stuff everything into a first movie just to stuff it in. Our hope is that this is ‘movie one’ of several and so anyone who gets omitted is immediately on the list for movie two. It is a factor of what can one movie tolerate and how well can a character be serviced and if they can’t be serviced correctly we would rather do it well later than do it poorly now.
TrekMovie.com: One of the reported characters is a ‘Federation Captain’ was that Pike or just another captain?
Roberto Orci: It was not necessarily Pike. One of the things we are trying to do in this movie is introduce a general audience to Starfleet. Captain Kirk was not the only captain in Starfleet.
TrekMovie.com: That brings up a bit of a pet peeve of mine with previous Trek films. So often other captains were set up as patsies - like Harriman in Generations or Styles from Search for Spock. Perhaps it was a way to make Kirk look good, but it made it look like he was almost a fluke and the rest were losers.
Roberto Orci: Ya I totally agree with you and we don’t have that. Being a captain in Starfleet should be a special position and we don’t feel that another captain has to be diminished in order to elevate Captain Kirk. If you are a captain in Starfleet you are a cool mother f—er.
Surely Starfleet can do better than this
TrekMovie.com: Speaking of captains I have one more casting question which is burning in the minds of many Trekkies…what about Shatner?
Roberto Orci: What J.J. said at Comic-Con [story] is still true. We are actively perusing looking for a way to make a part that is worthy of him and that is not pandering to either his role in Star Trek or to the fans.
TrekMovie.com: You guys have resisting labels for this film such as remake, reboot, etc….even prequel. Prequel has a pretty basic definition so what is wrong with calling it that?
Roberto Orci: But yet it is not entirely accurate. In some senses it is a prequel, but the word I would use, which is how Damon [Lindelof] describes it, is a re-invigoration or re-vitalization.
TrekMovie.com: So your point is since Nimoy’s Spock would at least start well after the TOS period, then it isn’t exactly a prequel.
Roberto Orci: Exactly, Nimoy’s Spock is very much in line with canon.
Last Spock sighting - TNG’s "Unification"
TrekMovie.com: You guys have said this will respect canon and ‘fill a gap’ but you are also trying to make a new movie for a new audience. Why aren’t you doing what they did with Batman Begins and just start over and avoid opening yourself up to the critiques on breaking with canon?
Roberto Orci: The reason we aren’t starting over is because the people involved, both fans and behind the scenes, have worked so hard to specify what is canon - then to simply ignore it would be unnecessary. There is so much about The Original Series that is worth continuing. It is not like Batman where you can ignore everything. That being said there are some things that have never been specified fully in canon that we take liberties with.
TrekMovie.com: I imagine that it is all a matter of degrees. Some fans are pretty flexible and others can be ’strict constructionists’…just like different constitutional viewpoints.
Roberto Orci: It is funny you should say it that way. We very much treat these decisions like the Supreme Court and previous Supreme Court decisions are not turned over lightly. If they are overturned it is with the spirit of Star Trek as the guiding principle. Part of the reason we are purposely not saying if it is a reboot or not is that the solution we have for maintaining canon while liberating us is inherently part of what the story is and something we are reluctant to give away.
TrekMovie.com: Does this respect for canon cover both the script and the approach to the designs, such as the Enterprise.
Roberto Orci: So many of the design decisions are so faithful to what it was, much more faithful that you might imagine. We are trying to be so true to The Original Series in both look and the characterizations. And the Enterprise design is awesome.
TrekMovie.com: Trek fandom is not monolithic. Not every Trek fan likes The Original Series and some fans are feeling a little left out. So my question is - is this movie still for them?
Roberto Orci: Obviously my answer is yes. If you are a true Trek fan there is a common thread through each series when it is really working that is that about meeting the impossible and overcoming your differences to face it. You do not need to be an Original Series fan or even a sci-fi fan to enjoy this movie. It is not about selling an audience on sci-fi. It is like with Mission Impossible III. It is about getting them engaged in amazing characters that you love and being with them when they face the impossible - be it sci-fi or be it an ‘impossible mission’ or be it the shock of meeting sentient alien robots as in Transformers.
TrekMovie.com: You once told me that you will be putting in ‘continuity nuggets’ as little Easter eggs for the fans. Will some of those be related to the other series like TNG?
Roberto Orci: We got some TNG stuff in there for sure. I made sure of that. And there should be a little something from everything, but for me personally it is all about Next Generation and The Original Series because those are the shows that really set down the rules for Trek that the other shows picked up on. We are also trying to do a lot of what Enterprise was doing in terms of a prequel and some of the corners of Star Trek which were mainly defined by Deep Space Nine are covered to a certain degree.
TrekMovie.com: So are we talking about little references like the name of a ship, like the USS Archer in Star Trek Nemesis?
Roberto Orci: Our references are bigger than that and more pivotal to the story. But I love that little stuff too and we are doing that as well.
An ‘Enterprise Easter Egg’ in Star Trek Nemesis
TrekMovie.com: You have talked about making Star Trek relevant again, how are you going to do that?
Roberto Orci: I think when a lot of people think of Star Trek they think of it as some other kind of fantasy world. What we want people to see is that the future that Gene Roddenberry created, of Star Trek and Starfleet and Starfleet Academy and the Federation, are extension of what might happen…maybe tomorrow. One of the things we are trying to do with this movie is connect it back to today. How we got from here to how we got to Captain Kirk on the Enterprise.
TrekMovie.com: I imagine part of the plan to appeal to a general audience must factor in appealing beyond the usual male sci-fi demographic. Looking at your and Alex and J.J.’s work one can see that you guys like to have strong female characters. So can we expect women that do more than just answer the space phone?
Roberto Orci: [Laughs] Ya totally. In my totally unscientific observations Star Trek seems to attract more women than other sci-fi properties, nonetheless there is clearly room for growth. That is one of the main ingredients we are looking at is to connect every gender to Star Trek; particularly since Trek is so much about equality and women’s rights. It is one of those things have to be re-emphasize. All of our wives - mine, Alex’s, J.J.’s and Damon’s - were very helpful in making sure this script was accessible for women.
Kick ass women of Xena, Alias, M:I:III & Transformers
TrekMovie.com: There has really been a lot of secrecy related to this project. So my question is…why? And is there a plan to roll things out over the next year?
Roberto Orci: We do have a plan to reveal things in a timely manner that is not just waiting until the very end. But to get to why all the secrecy I always use the example of Terminator 2. I, and everyone really, went into that knowing that Schwarzenegger was a good terminator. So in that scene in the hallway where poor little John Connor is surrounded by terminators - imagine that scene if you didn’t know that Arnold was good - you would have thought that kid was dead meat and the reveal that Schwarzenegger was good would have been mind blowing. So one of the reasons for the secrecy is that we are into wanting the audience to feel the full impact of the story twists. This is something we have dealt with before, like on Transformers, the fans want to know when their surprise party is. The secrecy is not about us being coy or embarrassed but for us wanting to maximize those moments of surprise for the audience. We think it is not withholding from the fans but trying to give them that surprise party.
TrekMovie.com: Are you guys thinking about sequels yet.
Roberto Orci: Our objective is to make a good movie…period. Our only goal and mandate is to make a good Star Trek movie, but counting on the fact that if it is good then sequels will take care of themselves. We are not going to save anything for later. Our hope that this earns us the stewardship of future movies but we are not arrogant enough to count on that. All that being said, if it was my choice, I would do Star Trek for the rest of my life.
Surprise!?!
Read Part 1 of the TrekMovie.com interview with Roberto Orci
On behalf of the TrekMovie.com community I want to thank Bob for all his fan outreach. I really think all the post Comic-Con communications have made a difference. - Anthony Pascale
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GREAT INTERVIEW!
Thank you!!!
I still don’t see how the original cast can be replaced and still have the same chemistry. I’m hoping for the best, but I’m expecting the worst.
First :-) It is just a few minutes past noon in germany…
To Roberto: I have trust in you….make a good movie!
A great interview, really good.
I like the idea of picking up ideas from Trekmovie and the other trek sites. You know, the internet is one of the largest brainstorming sessions ever created. Its good that they can cherry pick the good stuff.
I like the way the info is trickling out. My main problem is that I WANT TO KNOW, but I DONT at the same time. As time wears on i’m going to be reading these threads through my fingers.
Which may make it very difficult to type…
Please have Shatner as Kirk in there. I am so excited about what I have heard about this movie so far, but if we all miss the chance to she Shatner and Nimoy as Kirk and Spock again it will break my heart and some time down the line we will all regret it deeply…
5# Only if the story demands it.
Dont just shoehorn him in for the sake of it.
i am only going to say this once. I do not want this to turn into another pointless shatner in the movie debate.
Wow, you guys really need to get moving on the casting issue…. The shooting is still scheduled to November 5th, right?
Anyway, Thanks for the interview.
P.S. any chance that we will see some of the designs anytime soon?
It’s Original Star Trek. How can the story not demand it?
I think, if need be, a break with continuity that fans would forgive would be ignoring the whole nexus/death of Kirk thing.
Or, if the rumours about Spock going back in time to save the Trek timeline but it getting slightly changed in the process are true, have Spock save the Federation etc, but let one of the side effects/changes be that in the new timelines present, which Spock presumably returns to at the end of the film, Kirk is alive, so Spock gets to see his old friend again.
It could be made to work. Actually, I quite like that idea. Well I would wouldn’t I?
Sorry about typing and spelling. Busy Monday morning going at the same time!
Nice interview. Seems to me that the movie is in great hands. Couldn’t ask for more.
“Kirk is Star Trek”
Now that is a quote I have been waiting to hear! Say what you want about the other captains like that baldheaded Picard or the wimpy Archer but Kirk would wipe their butts in a second- he’s smart, tough and intelligent (he’s a true leader who uses his crew to the best of their abilities- with Spock’s cold, hard logic and Bones’ humanism they are an unbeatable combination) and is the complete symbol of what Trek is about!
Do this right, Mr. Orci- I have faith in you.
- What J.J. said at Comic-Con [story] is still true. We are actively perusing looking for a way to make a part that is worthy of him and that is not pandering to either his role in Star Trek or to the fans. -
Mr. Orci, it’s up to you, you can make it happen - take this unique chance!
Thank you for a very interesting interview - there’s still hope…
Congratulations.
I was a boy in the 60`s, and I follow Star Trek since then, I loved your way of think about the script.
In my opinion, more than Spock or Kirk, the reason behind the sucess was Gene Rodenberry and his filosofy, his way of thinking what should be the future.
Tank you very mutch.
You can count with our support.
Mauro, São Paulo - Brasil
Great interview! I’ve been coming to the site regularly for some time now but this is my first post. So that you know where I’m coming from in Trekkie terms - I love the Original Series but also appreciate and enjoy the newer series. I’ve got to say, I’m really up for this movie and I like everything that’s being said by Orci and Co. I have absolutely no problem with other actors assuming the roles, but I really do want to see Nimoy and the Shat up there together one last time - even if it’s only for a moment! Please guys, while you’re at it, undo Generations and give us back a future with James T alive and well!
Sean.
PS. You might be interested to know how big an international fanbase this site/movie has - I’m in Cyprus. Where’s everyone else from?
that was an great interview…..i cant believe some comments regarding the story have been taken on board in the rewrite.
Sorry Anthony - you posted your “pointless shatner in the movie debate” comment while I was still typing my post. I hope you’ll let me have that one - I won’t pursue it, honest!
Great site, by the way!
Fantastic Interview. But Orci & Co, if you read this: make Paul McGillin Scotty! There is no other, who has deserved that role.
UK and this was my first time posting today aswell. Getting very positive vibes about this film and of course I will see it if Shat is in or not, but if he’s not then it’ll be like missing a chance to see Lennon and Macca together again.
IMAGINE the goodwill from geeks and fanboys/girls they will get towards this project if they could get him in there and make it work.
This film and Indy next year. Paramount will own me!
sounds like it’ll be a ‘re-quel’
That Orci fella clearly knows what he’s doing. Good to feel like the franchise in the hands of big game hitters.
arcadian…welcome from delurking…always nice to see first time posters
let me clarify. I dont mind people expressing their views. it is those who post with ‘an agenda’ (eg post over and over and over about their one campaign)….also those who go after other posters for not agreeing with their agenda…hence ‘debate’
btw….i want shat in it too, but the story is king and it must work for the story. And no one here can say that they know it works with the story…except of course Bob, Alex, JJ, and Damon
A great 2nd part to an awesome interview. THANK YOU Anthony & Mr Orci for taking the time, I especially like this quote:
“..a re-invigoration or re-vitalization.”
I think thats perfect and EXACTLY what Trek needs, a recharging of the batteries! Put some cool (Trek cool? Oh Yeah baby!), kick-ass juice back into the franchise whilst still staying true to the core of all that Trek was/is. Picking the original series characters is just perfect for that, they were an iconic part of the 20th Century….make them an iconic part of the 21st Century!!
Besides who hasn’t heard of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty??? Beam me up Scotty! Classic! Speaking of Scotty, lets hope fans opinions count because Paul McGillion would be PERFECT casting for the role!!! ***assuming human pretzel*** Do you look at how fans reaction to rumours of casting for who you pick?
Regardless of who is/isn’t in this movie, another BIG Thank You to Mr Orci, your comments, insights and true love for all things ‘Trek’ has got this fan’s vote of confidence!!!
Damn its gonna be a long 14 months waiting to see this movie!
Anthony, I understand you 100% and totally agree. The story is what comes first. Again, thanks for the site, and for building such an exceptional relationship with the team behind the scenes. It’s great to feel that what’s said here actually has an effect on what will appear on the screen.
Anthony, I can understand that you don’t want this to become another thread about fans yelling for Shatner to be in the movie. But as Roberto Orci is stopping by here, posting comments, it seems to be the only way to be heard, to get feedback about it and to know that someone in charge, someone who can change things is around here.
I won’t say put Shatner into the movie again, as I have said it many times. last time here as #132
http://trekmovie.com/2007/10/04/interview-roberto-orci-on-why-he-is-a-trekkie/#235301
with a proposal as to how to include Shatner into the movie ;)
Sorry, couldn’t resist ;)
But I would like to discuss the enemy a bit more. I think it would be great to have a human as the enemy. If it is an alien (maybe a Romulan) I think the threat would drift away into a more fantastical one. A human enemy would be more fearsome as imho the threat would be more real (even in a sci-fi-movie)…
It is like in the Alien-movies. There have been those cruel aliens but the most fearsome enemy has been the traitor which was human. Ripley said something like that in Aliens: “I don’t know which race is more evil, but I doubt that this one will kill for money.”
And the “best” enemy in a Star Trek movie has been Khan, who was a human…
Hi again. Just wanted to say I completely respect other peoples views that are not the same as mine and I honestly don’t have an agenda.
As I said I will see this movie no matter who is in it, but as a regular reader of this site in recent months I was overwhelmed with excitment after reading the interview this morning and just wanted to add my opinion on the whole ‘Shat’ debate.
Obviously with filming starting next month we are in for a glut of news and I can’t wait.
This is a great site and I will keep coming back for more, because frankly, at the moment, certain other movie news sites seem to be lacking where this film is concerned.
I hope JJ and co give us a few more bits and bobs leading up to Christmas to keep us going!
Just had a worrying thought… what if this movie doesn’t even get a cinema release here in Cyprus?! Nemesis didn’t (although I guess a lot of people will reckon we dodged a bullet there!)
Oh well, I guess a holiday in UK might be called for around Christmas 08!
Why the hell not… to be honest, I’d jump on a plane if there was a chance of being an extra in this one - even if it meant I got a red shirt and a Wilhelm scream!
You don’t want to be in the UK right no Arcadian, I’m freezing my backside off at me desk!!!
Obviously I meant right now…. laptops fault.
I love Shatner, in his prime and at his best he was unbelievably powerful, attractive and necessary, He is not necessary in this film and I would NOT use him. That may seem harsh but i truly feel it’s the right decision. Let Nimoy have his day to give this new start the proper beginning. Don’t dirty the new river with “stuffing Shatner into the script”
Remember in first contact when James Cromwell said ” you guys are on some kind of Star Trek” It was ridiculous and stupid, a line shoved in for the fans. Don’t do shit like that in this film. Keep it real, real sci-fi is always better sci-fi. And no guys with rubber heads and a Jersey accent please, use subtitles for aliens.
LET SHATNER stay in bed on this one Orci, just make the best Star Trek based sci fi film you can possible make
regarding referencing the other shows - it sounds like there will definitely be TNG stuff but i wouldn’t hold my breath for any Enterprise, DS9 or Voyager….when he referes to Ent its just saying that they are doing the same as what they did - a prequel..and “some of the corners of Star Trek which were mainly defined by Deep Space Nine are covered to a certain degree.”
That’ll just be certain darker, conflicting elements that that series exemplified…
29 - Wha? i thought that First Contact ’startrek’ line was great!
I do agree about rubber headed aliens though - i think all fans have had it up to here with the Michael Westmore alien of the week speaking in a perfect american accent
Sounds like they’re going to do a great job.
I’m still concerned about continuity though - especially visual continuity.
I hope they don’t change the original Enterprise design too much - it’s a timeless classic !! I could live with a few “tweaks” though, perhaps more intricate detailing on the exterior hull etc.
As for the bridge design, I hope they are faithful to the original blueprints in that they have the same basic layout, but perhaps they could update the computer displays and have sophisticated graphics that put out meaningful information instead of just random blinking lights.
I guess they face the same challange that Berman & Co. faced when creating Enterprise in 2001 - it’s all about creating a good balance between the “retro” elements and the new elements.
You want it to look cool, you want a modern audience to believe that this could one day be a “real” spaceship but you also want to see that they are being faithful and respectful to the original.
It has to be close enough to the original designs so that it can “blend” with the original series and not look completely out of place, but also has to incorporate modern ideas / 21st century production values.
“It is no joke that I read every post and so does [co-writer] Alex [Kurtzman]”
Trekness confirmed. You have soul.
Wow, nice to hear they read our posts… that being said…
I really really hope the back story of McCoy’s divorce is revealed. I love the idea that he was not another cookie-cutter academy graduate. And it really suits his personality that he wasn’t. Joining the fleet to escape the pain of the divorce just really adds great dimension to his humanity…
and McCoy is nothing if not the voice of humanity on Trek.
And yes, stick to the designs!! we love them!
After reading these interviews, my sense of pride in Star Trek has returned…
…all the negativity and closed-mindedness of the crotchety neo-con-Trekkers be damned. These guys have a job to do, and quite frankly, it sounds like we could be a hell of a lot worse off, i.e. Stuart Baird. I’m sorry for those that expect the worst; I would have hoped that the core of Trek would have taught them otherwise.
Godspeed Orci.
Sounds nice.
I hope Orci means what he says!
I would love to see a Spock centered movie, he is in some ways the best character in whole Trek.
I would also love to see some secondary characters like Pike and I know that you can’t left out Kirk .
But the whole TOS-crew? I don’t know - I can only hope there won’t be all those characters as crew on the Enterprise and than on the other hand I don’t want to run accidental in some later cremate every 15 minutes.
I would included Spock, Kirk + McCoy from the main crew at most but we will see.
And If you guys at the helm of the movie manage to get nods to “Deep Space Nine” and “Enterprise” without it feels forced - yay!
I hope there are some darker (emotional and optical) scenes in it but overall I somehow expect it to be light.
I hope for some deep character conflicts between in within some crucial characters and please don’t make the badguy that a BADguy - no James Bond, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings kind of 2 dimensional baddy.
I’m also glad to here that there seems to be more than another ship story - make it epic with lots of planets, ships, stations and please introduce a decent creature (you klnow that big animals whichj aren’t humanoid like in Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and stuff) or two to the Trek movie franchise. Not that there were plenty or even enough in the shows anyway…
Back to the “glad not another ship story” thing: there seems to be a parallel or more likely alternate universe storyline which would be - grab your seat - NEW to the Trek movie franchise.
Can’t belive such things could happen in my lifetime…
OK good luck you guys and I’m for sure excited and can’t wait for the final movie!
So basically, we are no longer allowed to discuss the idea of Shatner in the movie. Hopefully the producers will not treat the silence as a sudden lack of interest but rather a censorship.
No problem.
As for the references to other Treks, please keep the references to Enterprise either to a minimum or nonexistent. There’s a reason that this was the least watched Trek show in history. For one, it didn’t fit with canon. It’s impossible to reconcile the events of that show with the other ones. The technology alone saw to that.
Good interview.
But as others have said- come on guys, get that cast sorted!
Really good interview guys, thanks.
Awesome interview!
And guys, if you do read these comments, it would be sooo awesome if you got a small cameo part for an older Scott Bakula or Jolene Blalock! It’d really honor all those who worked on Enterprise, plus treat all those people who wanted to “Save Enterprise”.
Remember, film is art therefore its subjective so they’re not going to please all! Everyone involved in this movie has a hell of a task, a 41 year old fandom to contend with (they’re not going to please everyone no matter what) and the need to balance that out and draw in a whole new generation of cinema goers. That being said, as much as I would love to see the folk I grew up watching involved, the story HAS to come first and formost! This film can not be exclusive to only Trek fans, it has to be accessible and enjoyable to the vast majority! It has to be SUCCESSFUL and I think we’re bloody lucky the folk involved actually have a respect for Trek and its fans…I’d take that as a positive and big blessing!
They seem to be trying to honour the spirit of all things ‘Trek’ so far, as much as any fan could ask for. Trek’s spirit was about being positive, embracing the future and change… we have to be realistic about the fact this isn’t going to be the Trek as was (unless someone invents a time machine) and I dont think I want it to be. It’s not a replacement, its a continuation!
And without sounding like a completely numpty cheeseball, let’s trying to practice a little of what we loved, preached!
P.s. #27 I’m freezing my bum off in a air-conned edit suite in the UK right now too. Obviously the kit is more important that my fingers and toes!
Excellent interview! Thanks Anthony. I’m really jonesing to see some of the designs ie the Enterprise etc. Hopefully this is not of those ’surprise’ items that has to be held back to the very end. I’m assuming that changes in the time line go back far enough, pre-Kirk ie probably with his dad, so that any technological differences between ST11 and canon will be attributed to that.
I like Orci’s take on things and if you are combing these threads for feedback I’ll repeat this again - No TrekBabble!
Also, the confirmation that Nimoy’s Spock picks up in ST11 with canon continuity in place is really gratifying to hear.
TrekMovie.com: Does this respect for canon cover both the script and the approach to the designs, such as the Enterprise.
Roberto Orci: So many of the design decisions are so faithful to what it was, much more faithful that you might imagine…And the Enterprise design is awesome.
OK now… is Orci saying that the *original* design for the Enterprise is awesome (and he won’t be messin’ with it much), or the *new* design for the Enterprise is awesome? Personally I’m fine with tweaking the look as long as we still have something recognizable… I’m just dying of curiosity here to see what they’ve come up with.
@ #40
Old Archer in the TOS timeframe is hardly possible but I second the wish of old T’Pol appearing somewhere in that early TOS timeframe.
This would be a passing on the torch like McCoy in the TNG pilot, Picard in the DS9 pilot, Kirk in Generations, Quark in the VOY pilot and Cochrane in the ENT pilot.
Re: Roberto Orco
I’m right with you on the T2 reference. I’ve always watched that scene and said, “Man, if the previews hadn’t given it away…”
HOW?
How do you stay true and replace the crew. Bring all of them together even though Chekov wasn’t an original. And then say its canon. Canon of another timeline? That seems gay. It could just be me and Im sorry for offending.
I guess when 6 million fans are involved I’d beat every inch of a dead horse, back up over it with a runabout, and beat it some more!
#37 The whole “ENT wasn’t canon” is not true! They were very respectfull of canon, and when they “violated” it, they just streched it a little.
For a show, how is set before the original 60s series, they did a good job. Please give some respect to the creaters and cast of ENT. If that show came 10 years earlier, they would have made 7 seasons as well. Look how lame the first season of TNG was… With today’s audience (and studio heads), who can tell for sure which series is good and which not. They cancelled “Firefly” too, which was also a gread series. Noone knows why…
ENT is part of ST canon says Paramount. This is also my opinion. So if the writers of STXI decide to make a litte reference to ENT, so be it. Damn, why not put a Xindi on the Enterprise…. (I hear the complaints on that comment coming…)
#37: “There’s a reason that this was the least watched Trek show in history.”
Yeah, the same reason that DS9 was less watched than TNG and “Voyager” was less watched than DS9.
Every series after TNG was less watched than the one before.
So, it’s not the reason you want to think.
Bring on the references to the other Trek shows, including “Enterprise.”
#47 you won’t hear many complains, but you will hear a lot of ‘whats a xindi?’
Anthony, Roberto must slip you a few tidbits, on the quiet? Go on, tell us a couple. Roberto will never find out- I won’t tell him! ;)
I’d like to know what the villain will be?!?!?!?!
Or who!!
I have to echo others that hope they don’t mess with the Enterprise design too much. The TOS design is iconic; the TMP update (IMHO) was stunning - how many Trek fans then and now don’t get a little misty eyed during TMP’s grand tour of the revitalized Enterprise, she was truly a beautiful swan-like ship. It’s my hope they don’t go new-BSG on it and put warts bumps and ridges all over it.
“Kirk is Star Trek”
-Roberto Orci
AAAAAAHHHHHH…… (emits orgasmic gasp not unlike Khan’s after Kirk cried out from Regula 1)
(p.s. Mr. Orci, you owe me ten cents for using my phrase. :))
I am wondering if they will be wearing the uniforms from “The Cage” or “Where No Man has Gone Before” since this seems to be pre TOS. I have always been a fan of The Cage uniforms.
In terms of thinking of canon like the Constitution, I think that is a great approach. I doubt we will have anything on the level of how Zefram Cochrain was changed for FC in this movie. This group seems to have actual respect for Star Trek unlike the Berman/Braga regime.
BTW, thank you for not doing a “reboot.” I know that reboots and remakes are the fad of the day but Trek deserves better. Thank you for realizing that.
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re T2
indeed - if u watch what the T-800 does before that scene its all pretty brutal..in league with T1….One could quite easily have thought that arnie was the bad guy and the T1000 the Kyle Reese type (although if was pretty calm and cool in his scenes before hand)
If it had been kept under wraps people would have jumped outta their seats going ‘HOLY SHIT!! ‘
The studio or whoever did the marketing mustuve just thought well we’re spending $100 million on this pic we want people to KNOW Arnie isnt a bad guy trying to blow a 10 year old kid away and that Arnies the hero in this one….wonder how Cameron felt about all that? - after all it was filmed (upuntil that scene) whereby you would think the T800 was the villian again…
look at the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdlFX6JCNmM
And its not as if there was any internet, AICN etc spilling the beans a year in advance…so it was much easier to keep under wraps then..
They should have just stuck with the teaser trailer and not released the one above..:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXZn5OuqyD0
A similar thing happened to Star Trek III whereby the gave away the Enterprise blowing up in the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RhE5VhUkRk
i believe Harve Bennet was mighty pissed they did that
20th century Fox didnt release an Empire Strikes Back trailer with Vader going “I AM YOUR FATHER” and Luke screaming ‘NOOOOO!’ right at the end did they…
I must say this has been a unique opportunity to have almost a direct pipeline to the writers of the new Star Trek movie. Great interview by the way! Taking Mr. Orci at his word, then he has read my several posts regarding story lines. Which in itself is amazing. 2nd draft done, and shooting starts next month. It can’t get any better than that.
444 dtST
I feel like Pontius Pilate… ” I find no fault in this man.”
Thank you Anthony and thank you Robert. I am sooooooo Looking forward to this movie!
“Kirk is Star Trek.” God I love that line!!!! I tried to tell those TNGers at TrekCore for years, that same thing.
There are so many good quotes in this interview. Thanks again, oh and for the Enterprise* appologists… Get over it, the show was crap, the acting was crap and the ship was a rip off. Man up and admit the truth!
Great interview. I hope that in trying to be all things to all trekkies, they don’t get bogged down trying to make obscure references to all the in-jokes like some of the previous movies did.
I really agree about the other Starfleet captains. ST has a habit of making other captains in Starfleet look like boobs or lunatics. There are exceptions, of course, like Jellico in TNG, but usually any other captain that gets any serious camera time is made to look as if he’s incapable of commanding a seven-eleven, let alone one of the most powerful ships in the galaxy.
Terrific work Anthony. I concur with your sentiments about Bob Orci. Wow, I can’t believe how chatty he has been about this movie. Many thanks to him. I was intrigued about what he said, although not much new. I think the big question on everybody’s minds will be how are they going to prequel TOS with the entire crew (and remain within canon)? Also glad to hear Shatner is still being considered.
It occurs to me that our friend Anthony is about to sign off over a year of his life just to keep this site from incinerating in it’s own hotness. The floodgates are-a-gonna-break soon, and the time and energy he spends on us is clearly heroic. I delurk momentarily to praise the man and his methods.
BTW, I’ve been tracking a certain blog (http://daveshatner.blogspot.com/2004/10/honest-truth.html), and rumors aside, there appears to be NO way that dave shatner will be appearing in this film. He doesn’t even acknowledge it exists! So much for the debate.
This fan is really starting to like this new team. Unlike the old Trek assembly factory, I’m sensing a heartfelt respect and appreciation for TOS here.
But more importantly, I’m sensing an understanding of what makes it tick. Things that were said, like :
” I don’t know how you can have Uhura without Bones”,
“So many of the design decisions are so faithful to what it was, much more faithful that you might imagine.”
“Having said that Kirk is Star Trek and he is as essential.”
“the fans want to know when their surprise party is.”
Wow. It’s like, for the first time, in a LONG LONG time…they get it. The people making Star Trek GET it! I couldn’t be happier in the direction this movie is headed.
I will say I have reservations about the “easter eggs”. I’ve never been a big fan of these “winks” to fandom, in comics, TV or movies, unless they really ARE hidden. When they are tossed out every other scene it gets corny. So in that respect, I hope these easter eggs are hidden well, and sparse. not scattered all over the lawn like the white house egg hunt.
And lastly, I do like surprises. I’ll never forget seing Checkov as fist officer on the reliant…seeing Kyle was a great kick and seeing how the whole crew came together and how the plot unfolded was great fun. I like surpises and by avoiding spoilerss that might surface, I hope to be pleasantly surprised on Xmas day, 2008.
Dear The OrcSter™,
I love this interview. Thank you for taking the time to do it. Can’t wait to see the movie!!!
Totally Stoked,
=h=
Nice interview Anthony, with some good questions asked.
#43 Scott Gammans
I too, am waiting with baited breath to see how the ‘look’ of the various ‘TOS-era’ designs have been altered, not just the ‘Enterprise,… Since Roberto describes this Movie as a “re-invigoration or a re-vitalization”, that COULD mean a…*big gulp*… “re-imagining” of certain design elements, perhaps even a MAJOR re-imagining of LOTS of them, even though he states that they are being ‘true’ to the look of TOS…
And I am sure this next statement by him is a big indicator of this -
“Part of the reason we are purposely not saying if it is a reboot or not is that the solution we have for maintaining canon while liberating us is inherantly part of what the story is and something we are reluctant to give away.”
We’ll this paves the way for those ‘time-travel’ / ‘alternate-timeline’ rumours to be true, allowing for totally new designs throughout, while still saying it’s not contradicting ‘established canon’… That’s all well and good, and I have faith that the Movie will be good regardless, but my idea of ‘established TOS-era canon’ is not all about the minutia of various events and appearances of characters across the various Trek series and Movies, but rather what TOS-era series LOOKED like, and too much deviation and re-designing of too many elements will be a major disappointment to this original series fan. So I remain wary. I don’t want everything duplicated as was, but I’d like the overall look of the production to reflect the terrific elements of the classic series designs.
Outstanding interview, Anthony!
Just the right questions. And it’s such an honor for our collective fan voice to actually be heard AND taken tnto account when crafting this film.
THANKS!
And to Roberto:
1) Pike-era uniforms, please.
And 2) An early Enteprise with spiked, red-domed nacelles, a tall bridge assembly, and a properly BIG deflector dish, etc.
If you are respecting canon, you can’t ignore certain VERY obvious things, as I’m sure you know.
Roberto Orci Alex Kurtzman , you read all our comment you rule !
i really like that there talking about other movies
i do hope that if this works they will do more , plus its been far to long since
star trek movies where actually linked and a follow on from the movie that came before it
(like star 2 and 3). i also think its great that they will be showing more of starfleet
some of my favrite bits in the movies is when you see starfleet command, the
academy and so on , it really gives you a feel for how big the universe and organision is.
……..hmm when he said re-invigoration i worryed ,
i mean i just like let it be cannon, which he says in the next bit they wont ignore everything , and i for one
am cool with them taking liberties with it. And great strong female characters in star trek where
always great , but not enough of them in the movies
“Part of the reason we are purposely not saying if it is a reboot or not is that the solution we have for maintaining canon while liberating us is inherently part of what the story is and something we are reluctant to give away.”
Reboot
Mr. Orci must know that he holds the power of canon in his pen. If he wants to “Bring Back Kirk”, he can do it with one line, and no need to even haveb Shatner in the film. Im sure Mr. Orci could figure out the proper place/line, but If Spock were to leave young Kirk a note, or say a word to him about his death at all, he would save Kirk from death in Generations. That simple.
We dont need an explanation. If you really want to bring back kirk, you can do it with your pen Mr. Orci, and it would probably take all of 10 seconds screen time. That would bring Kirk back without the need for Shatner.
#53 Shatner_Fan_2000
Forgot to add…don’t get too excited, as Roberto didn’t say William Shatner’s Kirk is Trek…although those of us fond of the original Star Trek know that he is…and I don’t see how ANY small slot for an ‘alive and well’ future, aged Kirk could in any way alienate any part of the audience for this Movie, if his inclusion was so-willed by all parties concerned… ;)
Time will tell…
“…but for me personally it is all about Next Generation and The Original Series…”
Rock.
And, I very much appreciate the surprise-party aspect to the new film.
By all means, keep the story under wraps.
Whoot! Whoot!
Star Trek is now officially back!
I have to admit, the way Orci talked about the movie, he finally sold it to me.
If they are really doing this, being so respectful and thoughtful, then I think this is gonna be a film that at least most of us Trek fans can enjoy.
It’s gonna be a long time till Christmas 2008. But boy, it’s gonna be full of childish anticipation on my part.
Thanks for the great interview, Anthony (and Mr. Orci, of course).
Great part II. Very interesting, makes you think, makes you wonder, reveales a little.
Thanks, Anthony, for your efforts, and thanks, Roberto, for “talking” to us.
Cool interview. I was kinda hoping to hear more about the TONE of the film though. Are they going for the gritty submarine feel of TWOK, or the more swashbuckling adventure feel of TSFS?
Personally I’m hoping for the latter. I’ve said it before, but I really think that (regardless of what you think about the stories) Nimoy’s movies really captured the heart and soul and MAGIC of Star Trek better than any of the others.
I think it’s brilliant that Orci reads the comments and took them into consideration. It’s noticed a tendency in the movies of Star Trek to be more about the non-trekkies than the trekkies, or maybe that’s just my biased position as a trekkie. But the fact that Orci is looking to the Trekkies for guidance is really encouraging.
“Kirk is Star Trek”. Here here and amen to that! The entire original bridge crew confirmed, a faithful Enterprise design, no Batman Begins style reboot, I’m more pumped than ever for this! Thanks you Anthony for asking awesome questions that reflect what’s on our minds and thank you Mr. Orci for taking the time w/us. The only part that makes me weary is that they’re taking input from us monkeys here on the site!
It would be great to see every single frame of it for the first time in the cinema, but how can I resist the trailers when they come? I regretted ruining First Contact, I must not do it this time.
I can’t wait any more! Maybe a slingshot around the sun would get me there faster…
TrekMovie.com: Speaking of captains I have one more casting question which is burning in the minds of many Trekkies…what about Shatner?
Roberto Orci: What J.J. said at Comic-Con [story] is still true. We are actively perusing looking for a way to make a part that is worthy of him and that is not pandering to either his role in Star Trek or to the fans.
Thanks for asking that and for still giving us hope Mr Orci. As long as there’s hope I’m optimistic you can come up with something worthy for us, yourself and Mr Shatner.
As for references to other Treks. Cool. As long as it doesn’t distract from the story, why not.
Re: sequels — if your version of the Star Trek universe veers off course due to an altered timeline I’d suggest a re-match with Khan. However couldnt think of a single actor in the universe who could be recast as Khan and be a tenth as good as Montalban. So maybe not.
I’m glad they’re looking at comments but it’s their vision. I hope they go with what works for them. I’m interested to see if the Kirk character is actually Captain Kirk, not Lt. Kirk or something.
Thanks for the well done interview, Anthony!
Reading these posts, I just thought of something.
Why is he using such a powerful reference when talking about movie “spoilers” - T2 and the “evil or good” Arnie thing? As in “it’s a hugely powerful moment in the film and it should not have been lessened by revealing it in a trailer.
To me, that is a tip-off……. I’ll say it right now: I am going to bet that WILLIAM SHATNER *WILL* be in this movie…….. they just don’t want to give it away, they want to BLOW OUR MINDS WHEN IT OPENS.
What do you guys think?
PS - oh, and the 70s song “Billy Don’t Be a Hero” and the music in the first level of Donkey Kong Junior are really similar.
I am so thankful that we DS9ers are at least being considered. Orci is right, so much of what the Trek universe is (from simple facts and features to major structures and themes) was defined in DS9, and a lot of people forget that.
I understand the emphasis on TOS and TNG (it’s a TOS film, after all), but It’s nice to hear that they are not ignoring the contributions of the other series’.
“Surely Starfleet can do better than this…”
That caption cracked me up. I remember when I first watched Generations, I was SHOCKED at the incompetence of Captain Harriman.
Yeah, mad props that the production team actually cares about maintaining an original outlook while not deviating from what made Trek great in the first place. Berman/Braga took far too many liberties with the franchise and as much as I enjoyed Enterprise as a sci-fi show it sometimes almost seemed like it wasn’t worthy of the Trek name.
Couldn’t be more excited about this film, but no matter how much care is taken with canon and designs etc. if the plot stinks then the film will stink.
But I’m sure it won’t!
Great Interview!!! Everyone seems happy (except Dennis who is rarely happy -though you should be your work on Exeter has been brilliant- loosen up brotha!)
R.I.P. Mugatu - NEVER FORGET!!!!
Great interview - these interviews are helpful as I was pretty doubtful about this project when I first heard about it a while back. But as I hear more from those working on it, I become more excited for Dec. 2008 to get here.
I am glad that they aren’t willing to release too much about the movie (especially this early on) - I like to see the whole thing and be surprised there. For example I hate movie trailers that reveal way too much about the actual film or show all of the good parts of the movie in a 30-45 sec spot. I really hope they won’t do that with ST when the trailers start rolling out next year.
It will be interesting to see how they make it accessible to everyone through the characters. Personally there’s not a Trek series I don’t like although my brother is different - he likes everything but TOS. I know a lot of people that only liked TNG. It’s a big task these guys have on their shoulders, but it looks like it’s in the right hands. Knowing how much of an inspiration TNG will be (it’s the Trek series I grew up with) is comforting as I think that was a great example of how Trek could be jump started.
I’m perfectly happy with the interview, thanks. Trekkies are a different matter, and often require a higher tolerance. :)
Mr. Orci,
Will the set design and enterprise closely resemble TOS? or more of a look like we saw in Enterprise?
Does the Enterprise look like it did in TOS or possibly like it did in WNMHGB and the Cage?
I’m not to worried about your story, I thought MI3 was really good.
Thanks
Waitaminute… Orci has a PHASER COLLECTION??!!!
Well, he had better have a Richard Coyle, an HMS, maybe a Brad Nelson, a JLong kit, and at LEAST a Master Replicas or an AA if he is to be taken seriously… at all.
-A Trekkie
I expect something like this:
The villain could be half vulcan and half romulan, to create somekind of contrast to Spock. If there are some scenes in the movie, showing the academy, maybe the villain could be introduced in these scenes. Maybe he wanted to become a starfleet officer, but he failed the Kobayashi Maru character-test, while Kirk succeeds by cheating. After that he could be disappointed and angry, becoming a member of the romulan fleet. Because of his origin he could play a role in the unification-movement on Romulus. When the Federation and Romulus want to sign a peace-agreement in the post-Nemesis-time, he (as an old man) trys to change history by traveling back in time to erase the Enterprise and all it’s adventures out of the timeline.
mr orci & mr kurtzman,
two words tom hanks
he was going to do first contact he is a big fan hes always wanted to do it
so why not get him for the federation captain
just a thought, he is a very big name too!
No Tom Hanks, I’m all Tom Hanksed out!!!
Dennis I hear you, but if you think the jello heads are out in force now just wait another few months as more significant announcements and leaks are made. We may need to call in Sonny Chiba to bust some heads
Roberto -
Lt. Kevin Riley. I beg of you, get him in the movie somewhere.
Jensen Ackles for Kirk!
#90
I agree
No Tom Hanks!
I got a bog kick out of the fact that the design elements are “more faithful than you might think” to the original show.
This makes me think that the Enterprise will look and feel as it did in the original show, but lit in a more modern way.
If they look at Trials and Tribbleations, and the mirror-universe Defiant story for Enterprise, then they’ll get it pretty much perfect.
Where I believe they can have more freedom with design and aesthetics is with the unknown places the Enterprise may be taken.
Thanks For the part 2 interview!
Im very happy!!
p.s. I want the movie to feel epic!!!
# 53
Now, that a sovereign authority has told them, we won’t have to do it anymore (well, not that often, anyway - just a reminder now and then will do). Gives us more time and space to concentrate on that other part of our mission…;-)
# 79
Sounds good to me - let us hope so!
It’s great that Bob Orci and team are balancing in fan ideas. But here’s a big concern that I have…
Going overboard to stay with so-called “canon” and to please old fans can kill any freshness and inovation that the film desparately needs. Case in point: “Superman Returns”. I believe that Bryan Singer got so obsessed with pleasing the old fans of the 70s film, that he blew the new movie. “Superman Returns” was, to me, like watching the same film as the 70s “Superman” but just with different actors. Heck, even the sets were copied from the 70s! Nothing new, and pretty pointless.
I know you’re planning to balance old with new, but please don’t go too far down the Superman Returns road with Star Trek.
#55 Snake
“20th century Fox didn’t release an Empire Strikes Back trailer with Vader going ‘I AM YOUR FATHER’ and Luke screaming ‘NOOOOO!’ right at the end did they…”
Hey, what the……and I was about to watch that flick for the very first time!! Nice way to ruin it for me, man!! What am I, a lab rat to be used in proving your point??
Thanks, Snake! Grrrrrrrrr……….
I have a question I don’t think anyone’s asked, or thought of, and that is about the music. I don’t mean the theme; Alexander Courage or Jerry Goldsmith. I’m talking the inner music or otherwise knows as the incidental music. I grew up a huge fan of what those guys were doing. Those guys writing for those shows were 20th century music students and primarily 20th century stylists. I don’t just mean they were men living in the 20th century, they were products of that style of music. So many trained composers. So many great writers. Their music gave a complexity and sense of sophistication that many shows today lack. And to tell truth, that was my big beef with TNG. Just droning music with no thematic material. At any rate, knowing that JJ Abrams is such a music fan, and hearing the motives or special themes he brought back from Mission Impossible show to MI III….I hope there are similar attempts with this he, Giacchino and this movie. I know this is important to him and I think it’s a very important part of the movie to consider.
That was a terrific read. I’m still very hopeful about the movie! I think these guys will be great! Thanks Anthony!
I didn’t get to read through all of the comments and may have missed this in another interview so please forgive me if this has been asked.
A few vet members of Trek in some fairly recent interviews (featured on this site as well) have said things along the line that “I hope they give me a call to get my input” or what not.
I can’t recall who specifically said that but hopefully that rings a bell to everyone.
If you happen to do another interview with one of these guys Anthony, would you mind asking them if they have taken any of those people up on their offer and rang them up for their input or if they are trying to avoid outside (outide of this project, not Trek) influences?
Also, I’d be curious if they have sought the input of Majel Barret or Gene’s son.
If you already asked this in another interview, sorry about that!
#48–you are 100 percent wrong about that. Good shows get watched. I’ve never heard, “well, another show wasn’t watched, so that’s why this one isn’t watched.”
Enterprise STARTED with a 7.0 rating in the pilot. It just wasn’t good enough to maintain that audience. Good shows are watched, especially when they have a good word of mouth audience.
The reason Trek lost ratings every year was because they put out a lousy product and more and more of the audience got fed up with it until finally Enterprise was canceled.
#47–Enterprise was NOT respectful of canon at all. From the opening episode, the show doesn’t fit with what WAS said about the 22nd century. The tech alone, with the viewscreens, was wrong.
Not to mention Romulans did not have cloaks in the 22nd century. Enterprise was a full series equal to having Valtane alive. Just because Paramount says it’s canon doesn’t mean it actually FITS into canon.
Paramount can say “Sulu is a girl,” but that won’t make it fit with TOS.
Mr. Orci–here’s something you should consider and as a TNG fan, I know you know this:
bringing back Kirk would NOT violate canon nor will it violate Generations. As you must know from the TNG Episode Relics, Scotty, who disappeared from the 23rd century AFTER the launch of the Enterprise B, thought that it was KIRK who rescued him.
How can that be if Scotty saw Kirk die? Sure, there are fans that like to say he was disoriented or the like, but the bottom line is that you have a line of dialogue in canon that establishes Kirk being alive and well in his own century post- Enterprise B launch.
As has been stated earlier, you could easily use this movie to reconcile it.
I agree, BTW, that with or with out good music Kirk is Star Trek.
Nice that he’s talking so openly about this being a full-on Trek adventure. Or so it seems to me in reading this. I have been concerned that we’d only get the whole gang on the bridge in the last minute of the film, and then only to set up the sequel.
I have to honestly say I’m over this Hollyweird theory that we must discover how every character’s parents met. Backstory is one thing, but don’t spend half the movie there. (The only trend worse in Trek is the idea that we have to know how characters die. Kirk, Chekov, Sisko [?], Trip, Hoshi. Sheeesh!)
I really, really, really want a fun, exciting thought-provoking, action-packed, groundbreaking, mega-movie with go-go-boots and breasts in it.
(Best Dr. Evil voice: Is that too much to ask?)
Great interview. I want to be surprised, so please keep the plot secret!
Regarding casting, I really like the way Mr Orci communicates. The things he says…he’s got the looks… carismatic….. and he’s got brown eyes…. :)
And it sounds like he really cares about star trek
So my question is, can he act? If so, has he considered a career as an actor before?? (see where this is going?)
Q.E.D What about Orci as Kirk??? ;)
OK, I’m half joking here, but I’d say he’d be far more convincing than that Vogle bloke! In my eyes anyway!!! :)
CmdrR. “mega-movie with go-go boots and breasts in it”
Mr. Orci, out of any post you read and consider, I vote you give extra weight to THIS ONE!!!
Oh and Mr. Orci please pass this along. The original communicators should be updated but please, please, keep the look of the original hand phasers! The best damn looking weapons in the entire Trek universe.
Above all, avoid the hand held dustbusters from TNG! They may be practical and ergonomic but they looked like crap!
Sorry folks. Sometimes my inner geek gets the best of me. ;)
Anyone else notice that Vogel is already listed on Trek’s IMDb page…though as ‘rumoured’????
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/
#88 — When you said “half romulan/half vulcan” the first thing I thought was Saavik — not as the villain, but as an interesting plot point. I’d LOVE to see her being half-Romulan canonized, and if the rumors about this movie are true, it could possibly fit in rather nicely.
29– Totally agree about Cromwell’s “some kind of star trek” line being stupid. BUT, that being said, I thought Q’s line in All Good Things of “It’s time to put an end to your trek through the stars” was awesome! See, I think it’s all a matter of subtlety when it comes to easter eggs.
66–I think you hit on one of the most revealing quotes from this excellent interview:
“Part of the reason we are purposely not saying if it is a reboot or not is that the solution we have for maintaining canon while liberating us is inherently part of what the story is and something we are reluctant to give away.”
Clearly there is some sort of plot device that will establish a new universe that is similar but not the same to TOS, which will allow them to explain the differences, including the very obvious ones like the fact that they are not the same actors. I doubt this will be as simple as a time travel-prompted timeline divergence, but it will be a way to do an “in-canon reboot” as I believe AICN called it before. In Trek reference people will refer to this timeline as the “Abramsverse” or something. If they are hoping to do sequels then it only makes sense, because I don’t think they’d want to impose a time limit of “we can only go up to 2266 when TOS starts.”
And one more thing, Mr. Orci I am delighted to hear that you guys read all these posts, so for posterity let me make one more suggestion: Adrien Brody as Romulan (or half-Romulan half-Vulcan, if that’s what we’re doing) villain!
This is a great interviews and has eased my concerns that i had for XI movie for now. .
Going throw the article the great bits are
1;What we want people to see is that the future that Gene Roddenberry of created, of Star Trek and Starfleet and Starfleet Academy and the Federation, are extension of what might happen…maybe tomorrow,,.
That is great and if you really want capture Gene vision of the future you scold focus more on TOS, TMP and TNG as those came closet to his vision of the future
2.,,Kirk is Star Trek,, and comparing relationship Spock and Kirk with Lennon and McCartney is spot on.
3. it, is a re-invigoration or re-vitalization. This is defiantly the right way Mr.Orci.This is essential, if you and Abrams want Star Trek XI to appeal to general public.
4. ,,the Enterprise design is awesome,,. I hope you mean new Enterprise design. TOS Enterprise design is iconic(so is TMP Enterprise but it just wouldn’t work now. Time have changed and I want new approach and i don’t want see same Enterprise as in 1960s. I would suggest smilier to this http://gabekoerner.com/fx/Gallery/nightshade1064.jpg by Koerner as a starting concept.
,,TrekMovie.com: That brings up a bit of a pet peeve of mine with previous Trek films. So often other captains were set up as patsies - like Harriman in Generations or Styles from Search for Spock.,,
I couldn’t agree more with this commit. Who wrote those awful characters(Harve Bennet & Nick Meyers hmm this makes you think doesn’t it.). I also liked Orci reply,, captain in Starfleet you are a cool mother f—er,
Thanks for updating us (orci) great interview (trekmovie.com)
can’t wait for the movie, all hints and so on - make me already highly anticipating the movie which is still 15 months away.
if you somehow can - please include Scott Bakula for a scene or two as Captain Archer, even if it’s only a recored speech on a viewscreen (see Enterprise Premiere)
This would be a great speech: ENT Season 4 Episode 21
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/ENT/episode/9654.html
“Archer delivers a rousing speech, urging all of the species in attendance to work together to explore the stars. Soval, the Vulcan ambassador who once disapproved of Archer and Enterprise’s mission, is the first to start clapping. Soon, the delegates are on their feet, giving Archer a standing ovation.”
LLAP - Ben - Star Trek Fan from Switzerland
Actor Jesse Lee Soffer (Will Munson) on the CBS soap “As the World Turns” would make a great Captain Kirk. Soffer is in the new movie GRACIE.
99 - Don’t get me started on the atonal crap that passed for music in the later years of TNG. I think you could play the music backwards and it would not make a difference. (There was some really good music, The Inner Light, for example, I am not talking about that.)
As far as for the movie, I think the music should stay consistent with TOS, for example, the party music in “Conscience of the King”; keep that early 60’s feel.
97 - Singer couldn’t even get the suit right.
Mr. Orci is saying the right things. I hope that will translate into something good. But at least his trying to honor canon, and our opinions, is a much better starting place than previous PTB have done.
#115
I agree. There are no recognizable themes and therefore no musical vocabulary established from TNG. It’s my understanding that only a handful of original TOS shows had their own scoring but as a result the recycled music was used to great effect. When there was a battle scene we had several examples to draw from musically. Same with light and whimsical moments…and there was drama and mysterious tracks to draw from in droves. It was very well done. You listen to Miguelito Loveless’s theme from that time period on Wild Wild West. Done by the same composers, Very sophisticated stuff. Just too great for words.
I DID enjoy the way that DS9 episode depicted the orignal 1701 crew as a bunch of horny swingers! (Which of course is what we suspected all along!) From the Captain on down, people were gettin’ LAID on that Starship! ;) Reminds me of this exchange from Free Enterprise.
Sean: “Even Kirk never had a threesome.”
Robert: “That’s just because they couldn’t show it on network television.”
Overall this was a fine interview. Very glad to hear that Shatner is still a possibility and I too hope #79 is correct! And I’m glad to see StillKirok posting. I was pretty sure he’d been forever banished to the ice planet Rura Penthe!
Captain Archer mention?
Please no! I beg of you!
I like Roberto’s comments about canon — well considered and thoughtful.
One can, and should, take canon seriously. Glaring gaps in continuity are almost always the result of poor or lazy writing (or lack of respect for the past).
That said, one shouldn’t be a slave to canon, either. TOS certainly wasn’t. We should be ready to forgive a minor canon gaffe so long as it isn’t the result of laziness or lack of creative thinking. And there’s certainly no hint of apathy, writer’s block or disrespect in this team!
*sigh* Christmas ‘08 is a long, long way away….
Christmas 2008!
:)
Fantastic interview. I’ve watched TOS, which at it’s best was always about the story rather than the technology: ST:TNG & DS9, which also had wonderful casts with generally great writing; VOY, a nice premise but with an estrogen overload; ENTERPRISE, which got good about the time they killed it. If you movie guys truly read these posts, then explain just exactly what the rank “Fleet Captain” is (Fleet Captain Christopher Pike), and be sure to use the old RED ALERT klaxon (not the muted, sissified version heard on VOYAGER); everytime I heard that one, I thought Janeway’s microwave dinner must be ready to come out.
Anyone think of a plotline where Pike is Actually the Villian and the release of the menagerie. Think this. Pike ( Remember feeling tired of command in the menagerie, and disabled) is tired of living the life of illusion on Talosia and feels regret that he let the Enterprise command go and accepting command of a training vessel goes back in time with the help of the talosians or Romulans to prevent Kirk from rising in ranks to get the enterprise. Spock goes back to prevent him from doing so and since his loyalty still lies with Pike and Pike knows it, Young Spock is the only one who can stop him.
There was an ‘Archer’ Easter Egg in the TNG episode ‘Yesterdays Enterprise’, where Riker talks about the Romulans having taken a “pasting on Archer IV”. Of course that was pre-Enterprise.
Add’l comment–Chekov was part of the original crew, but he was in the bathroom for the first season. Ricardo Montaban must have used the adjacent stall, ’cause he remembered Ensign Bad Accent in the second movie.
Oh, and how about labeling the switches & buttons on the bridge? One week Sulu would hit one switch to turn on the wipers, and the next week the same switch flushed the toilets in sickbay.
God, I just want to see a good movie made by folks who’s primary motivation is to make a good movie. Stuart Baird effectively resigned everyone save Patrick Stewart to doing guest appearances on “Homeboys in Outer Space.” Yeah, NEMESIS could suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch. Otherwise known as “PLAN 9 FROM ROMULUS.”
Mr. Orci:
You mentioned how Kirk and Spock are like Lennon + McCartney.
Well, a deranged lunatic made sure that nobody in the world had the thrill of seeing these legends (John Lennon + Paul McCartney) take the stage together one last time in the modern era.
Unfortunately there was nothing anyone in the world could do to change that. Those cultural icons can never be reunited and everyone in the world is worse off for it.
Kirk and Spock on the other hand are cultural icons that can be reunited and you are the person who can make it happen. What people wouldn’t give to bring Lennon + McCartney together one last time. While you literally can do the same for the ST universe by simply writing a role for Shatner.
You are in such a unique position to make so many people happy by making these icons saga complete.
In an era where the world truly needs as many hero’s as we can find (I know that’s a pretty bad cliche) YOU can reunite Kirk + Spock.
There must be a reasonable way to get this done.
While I fully support you Mr. Abrams and all the new actors about to take on these iconic characters. I cannot help but think that this film will not be complete without William Shatner as Kirk.
Why would you only have Lennon when you could have Lennon + McCartney?
Why just have Abbott when Costello is begging for a role?
I would agree with you when you say Kirk is Star Trek. I would aslo add that Shatner + Nimoy’s are Kirk + Spock to generations of people.
Why not close their story with grace rather than have Kirk fall off a cliff to a bloody death due to poor writing + Rick Berman’s (I am not a Berman basher) dislike of TOS. Or at least his preference for his version of Star Trek.
I love his version of ST also, but I would not throw Picard to his death for no reason other than having nowhere to go with the script.
Has any major fictional character ever died a worse or more meaningless death than James T. Kirk? Kirk’s death was useless + it has damaged the series.
Surely there are enough holes in that nexus storyline to bring Kirk out alive + well from it.
Here’s one. When Soran entered the nexus he in essence defeated Picard. Soran,Picard + Kirk were the only one’s alive. Picard in essence created a new time line when he came out of the nexus.
Thus, the original version of Kirk is alive + well in the nexus.
Anyway, You get the point. I’m not trying to tell you your job,but the nexus was so poorly explained Kirk must/could surely be alive in some alternate time line that it created.
Mr Orci this is the one chance to reverse Kirk’s terrible ending. This is a chance to allow these iconic characters to ride off into the sunset complete. A chance Lennon + McCartney never had.
We will never get the chance to see the Beatles on stage one last time, but we do have the chance to see the Lennon + McCartney of sci/fi together one last time.
You are one of the few people who can make this happen. I say bring Shatner back for no other reason than “It would be fun”
Roberto,
SAVE JAMES T. KIRK
Great interview :) Sounds pretty promising to me! Thanks Bob :)
115 - Singer couldn’t even get the suit right.
What was wrong with the suit exactly? Don’t say that it was wrong because there was no S on the back of the cape, because the S wasn’t part of the original suit…nor was it consistently drawn by artists. Colors changed a lot over the years as well, sometimes lighter, sometimes darker. The ‘S’ on the chest was smaller, but so was the original ‘S’ when Superman first came out. If anything, Singer stripped away years of interpretation and went back to the source for his particular version of the costume.
Singer’s version is just one more interpretation among many. It’s no more right or wrong than any other.
‘And the Enterprise design is awesome.’
Ah. Telling. It sounds like we’re going going to get our TOS Big E, with more detail, new pinstriping, and maybe some mag wheels, headers, and dual exhaust, IMO. Schweet! :D
Roberto,
Whatever you guys do, don’t insult our intelligence this time around.
The people behind Voyager, Enterprise, and Nemesis dealt us quite enough of that service, thank you.
I’m relieved to hear that the movie will have connections to the (besides TOS - which is quite obvious) TNG, DS9, and ENT. It reinforces the fact that it’s not a remake/reboot and actually will fit into the established Trek universe. I can’t wait to see what they come up with.
127
Singer’s suit had the ittie bittie tights which made Superman look more like the ‘Metrosexual of Metropolis’. And I never saw the need for the weave design in the leotard just because Spider-Man did it. Plus the colors were too dark. Then, that’s just my opinion.
Boy, Mr. Orci really seems to have the right idea about Star Trek. The ‘clues’ I’m getting from this seem to lead to a movie that gives us older Star Trek fans the original in idea and form once again.
But with some updating/changes that the story dictates. Clever. Perhaps then, fans will accept that some details are different because of the plot.
Singer just didn’t get Donners Superman, despite claiming to be the biggest fan of the film. Donners movie had humour for a start, and a lead actor willing to put on two stone in real muscle so that he actually looked ’super’. Rather than some skinny guy in a tobacco stained rubber suit with 5 inch heels on the boots. A disgrace and very boring movie I might add.
#7 Love your site. The big question regarding the return of Shatner as Captain Kirk is my main reason for checking this site out every day. It is very important to me & a lot of other people. Rick Berman & company ran off half of the fans back in the 95 with Generations.
Like MLB & UPS, Star Trek lost a lot of its consumers with its own poor choices. The firing of Rick & the hiring of JJ was big news. That in itself is the best action Paramount has took with Star Trek in a long ass time. Another great thing besides the much needed new leadership is the idea of returning to the TOS era & the Kirk Enterprise. The death of Kirk was just wrong. Berman, Braga & Moore should always get shit for that.
Anyway I feel that Shatner’s Kirk should be resurrected Superman style.
Everyone knows it. It would bring back the millions of the ex-fans.
The ex-fans that went to see Wrath of Khan & Search For Spock over & over. Thats what Star Trek needs back. Repeat Business. Keep your fans like Star Wars & Stagate. And in the process of getting back the old fans, get some newer fans from Stargate & those other shows w/ creative casting (Hint, Hint). But the main thing for me & many others is the RETURN OF SHATNER AS CAPTAIN KIRK. Sounds simple anuff. It really is going to be a matter of making extra millions & saving the franchise. I say keep the Shatner the talk alive. Good luck Mr. Orci!
Cool interview, and sounds like a cool film!
Nnngh, Christmas 2008 is so far away!
Star Trek is clearly in good hands with Mssr Orci and company..
Shame Nathan Fillion may be too old to play Kirk given the age range of the other cast members.
He’d be perfect.. and he handled some of that twisty Jos Whedon dialogue with aplomb.
Questions/Thoughts-
1) Will the film be too dark (as in lighting) … everything is so damn dark these days in films,
2) Steady cam or that Galactica Documentary motion sickness cam?
3) Does your team write like Sorkin’s “Walk and Talk” or is your pacing different for this Trek Movie?
Finally, a request-
Great music, please…a sweeping memorable anthem, etc. Does John Williams have one left in him?
Thanks for respecting the fans, Mr Orci. I’m sure that Karma will reward you both critically and at the Box office.
I agree it must have a good memorable score with memorable themes. Films just don’t have them these days, they play it safe with very forgettable samey generic scores.
Trying again…. my first post didn’t stick.
I am glad we are going to see a small nod to Enterprise and TNG. They are the bookends to this timeframe and I liked them, even if others didn’t. TOS is, of course, what everything is built upon, but I believe this universe is vast and has room for all the series and more stories yet to come.
Roberto, thanks for caring enough about this universe to protect it and help it grow further.
Someone above mentioned music. Yes, we have to have the dramatic music.
#125 Ivory,
Just to point out, Roberto Orci did address your concerns in the article…
“Roberto Orci: What J.J. said at Comic-Con is still true. We are actively perusing looking for a way to make a part that is worthy of him and that is not pandering to either his role in Star Trek or to the fans. ”
Anthony, sorry. I know what you said in #7, and I am not trying to push that subject along.
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Sounds good. I’m still hesitant about recasting everyone and stuff. Its gonna be hard as hell to accept other people in the original roles.
I’m glad Nimoy will be there and I really wish Shatner was gonna be included, but its not gonna happen. The script is getting locked down, they’re casting, they start shooting soon….if he was gonna be in it, we’d know about it.
It really sucks because Shatner and Nimoy together again in a new Trek movie would have been an EVENT.
“So many of the design decisions are so faithful to what it was, much more faithful that you might imagine. We are trying to be so true to The Original Series in both look and the characterizations. And the Enterprise design is awesome.”
That’s what I wanted to hear. I wonder when they’ll let us see some of these designs.
“Why aren’t you doing what they did with Batman Begins and just start over and avoid opening yourself up to the critiques on breaking with canon?”
I cringed a little when I read that. But then smiled when I read
“The reason we aren’t starting over is because the people involved, both fans and behind the scenes, have worked so hard to specify what is canon - then to simply ignore it would be unnecessary. There is so much about The Original Series that is worth continuing. It is not like Batman where you can ignore everything.”
I’m actually getting excited here and it’s been a while since I could say I was excited about Trek. And no, I’m not bashing the BB era. Trek’s just been asleep for a few years.
Regardless of the final film I know in the dark theatre when it begins, if I hear the trumpet fanfare first I am going to let loose real tears.
Love avoiding the “prequel/reboot/remake” label. As Nimoy is in it and there is rumour of time travel. If bits of the movie cross the hundreds years of onscreen Trek history available then those labels don’t enter into it.
Future movies will be able to access the entire span of the franchise.
Title idea: Star Trek: Universe
Fascinating interview. Very encouraging comments about production design being faithfull to what it was. Matt Jeffries was a genius, the look of TOS is so original and distinctive it would be crazy and very dissapointing to totally reimagine any of that. The most important design element decision comment was a little ambiguous - “And the Enterprise design is awesome.” - don’t know how to take that. The NEW design or the OLD design (upgraded in close-up detail etc)???? The latter being the most hoped for by most of us from a previous poll.
It’s great to know we do have a voice here, and that some of our thoughts do have some impact. Fans are writing this movie, and have taken on board the thoughts of fans. Couldn’t be better! Keep checking in on us…!
Ivory: 125
Wow!!!
You said it all.
The guys making this film could really do something special with this film.
Although, I for one (I say this w/all due respect to Mr. Orci) feel that if they really wanted Shatner they would find a way.
Who knows, maybe they will find a way?
It is pretty cool (if true) that J.J. Abrams, Roberto Orci and others are actually listening to the concerns of ST fans on this site + others like it.
Do we get some type of writing credit?
I want to be in this film.
Roberto,
Dude…you are so ON TARGET with this film it’s scary. Your approach to other Starfleet captains is right on the money — and something overlooked for a LONG time. I’ve always felt that the TOS episode The Ultimate Computer showed us what the other Captains were like.
Off topic: Thanks for your work/kudos on Jack of All Trades! I recently bought the DVD set and love the series! Great work there…and it was a really fun show! The sexual innuendo in there is HILARIOUS and it tends to come flying fast and furious. Too bad the show didn’t last as long as it deserved to.
Quite funny!
i hope to god that this is not going to have any “funny moments/lines” i dont know about your selves but the last films from the star trek 4 and onwards thought it nessary to make us laugh, when im watching a star trek movie (or any other si-fi film) i dont want humour i want pure si-fi, if i wanted to laugh i’d watch a adam sandler film (which i would’nt) im not a grumpy git, but i want this film to be a serious film, great special effects, great acting and great casting. with regards to shatner and nimoy then god bless shatner but really, he’s in no shape to be in this film as much as i love him in star trek films its time to move on, nimoy although in a little better shape would’nt fit in with this film either, im worried that casting this new bunch of actors will be very difficult, the tng series did a fantastic job, but the newest series “enterprise” is terrible.
in my mind this film is make or break for the star trek franchise, i hope they make it
Well i found Superman Returns suits work out just great and # 127 is absolutely right. Superman suit has changed over the years and Singer’s version is another interpretation. Dark colors for Superheros uniforms is that it is more subtle and not over the top bright colors like in 1970s and 1980s superheros movies. I like darker colors better
#133. I find sometimes the humor in Donner movies rather guffy and silly. I think Singer approach using less muscle then more the right approach also it actually works because off new tight uniforms define human muscle structure much better then older uniforms. Thou i agree, it wouldn’t have hurt the movie to have Brandon Routh put on two stone more muscle. However calling him skinny is laughable.
Wow, what a great interview!
Our best Christmas gift of 2008 is the best Star Trek ever made!
*finger-crossing*
Post number 125
Is the best post ever. Nice job Ivory.
I liked that bit at the end.
Roberto:
Save James T. Kirk
It took some guts to challenge one of the writers like that.
I second you opinion.
Ivory (post #125) I loved your line that said,
“Why just have Abbott when Costello is begging for a role”
I actually did a spit take at my computer at work thinking of Shatner posting video’s on his site trying to get a role in the movie.
I enjoyed that post so much I showed my girlfriend + my mother. They both hate ST but understand that William Shatner as Kirk would be a big deal.
I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but I don’t think the film would be complete without William Shatner.
Mr. Orci please write a role for William Shatner.
Thanks,
C09
149 - I thought the suit looked bad. The combination of the small S and the neck tight collar detracted a lot from it. The bikini tights did not help. The short boots did not help. The S on the cape, I can take or leave. The changes to the suit make the difference between powerful looking and not.
The photoshopped pictures where that was corrected (yes,corrected) looked much better. http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/images/superman-www.beyondcomics.tv.jpg
But besides the costume, the movie was disappointing. Singer made a bad redo of the original movie, and added ridiculous stuff like The Kid. Superman in SR was aloof, moody, and boring. Five seconds of Christopher Reeve is more entertaining than 2.5 hours of SR. Routh could be good as Superman, maybe he’ll get the chance someday.
Superman the Movie DID have problems, primarily the so-called humor of David and Leslie Newman, which was fully reveled (reviled?) in Superman III, and Hackman’s Luthor. Singer, via Spacey’s Hackman portrayal, mimicked that too.
Uhh, I just really did not like it.
I’m missing the original universe already.
What was missing from Superman Returns was the fun. The storyline was kind of dark and moody, so it forced Routh to play it that way.
cd: 153
Superman Returns was weak + was not the best way to re-introduce Superman. I don’t blame Routh. I blame the melodramatic script.
It played more like the adventures of Lois Lane than an action packed sequel.
Plus, Kate Bosworth had zero charisma as Lois Lane.
155 - Agreed. I think Routh has potential as Superman. But the only time I really saw him as Superman was when he talked to Lois after “saving” the plane, when he showed a little personality. (BTW, about the plane, I saw Singer talking about how much effort they put into making that scene accurately in terms of the engineering, with Superman bending the wing and breaking it. My question is: why would he have Superman break it? Superman would know how to grab the plane without destroying it. I think that gives some insight in how off the mark Singer’s thinking was on SR.)
156 - Agree with you also. Lois Lane should have had more spunk. But of course she had to drag that kid around…
Great interview, appreciate hearing what Mr. Orci said and Anthony for asking the kinds of questions on everyone’s minds!
Seems he has said a lot! The Enterprise is in the movie, Kirk sounds like he’s the Captain, the crew is mostly there.
The only question that really sticks with me is when this film will take place. Of course, we’ll find out when the film opens. I only bring this up because whenever I see The Corbomite Maneuver, it really feels like early days for this crew on the Enterprise. The characters feel like they are still getting to know each other, like Kirk recently took command. From what I am reading in the interview is that the film could be taking place within this timeframe or a little earlier, only based on the actors age info that was disclosed earlier. Or it could take place during the show’s 4th season if that ever had happened.
Whenever it happens, it all sounds like it’s in great hands. Mr. Orci has disclosed a lot of great info, and Mr. Nimoy feels that the story is great. So it looks pretty good so far.
Okay, can we get past Superman?
I, of course, am in agreement with Garth and Harry. I have no problem with a definite nod to the original series sense of style. Now we all know about how sets had to be dressed brighter for the crappy TV’s of the era, but who’s to say that fashion hadn’t swung back around in that direction in terms of hairstyles, dress lengths etc.? And nobody ought to have a problem with the designs of Matt Jeffries and Wah Ming Chang. Classic, Iconic, Legendary. I trust that these chaps are going to write and produce a good story, I’m just hoping, for my ownself, that I can look at a movie and recognize the communicator and phaser. I don’t want the Enterprise to look like it just appeared out of the “Alien” universe.
And Roberto,I realize that it’s not your department but you could cast me as ensign redshirt Timmy and blow me to bits in the climactic scene where we learn that Shatner decided he didn’t want to be in the movie.
I’m just sayin’ is all.
Still Kirok #101
You bring up a good point about what Scotty said in “Relics” I forgot all about that.
Did you read post # 125?
There was some good stuff in there that fits your arguments.
Sorry Anthony, I will drop the Shatner bit now.
Another episode of the TrekMovie Report “Agenda” trying to get it’s point across that Canon doesn’t matter and everything should be rebooted.
Where have the good star trek sites gone where people working on Star Trek were asked questions without the interviewer’s opinion trying to take center stage….